That was very clear, I think. [14] I found myself, very quickly, saying things in my own head that I had been saying to members of the cabinet not that long before, albeit them facing different crises, the principles were the same. I use a guy who lives up in Scotland, Ron, who is just outstanding and I still talk to him from time to time now. It was reported that as a condition of his early release on home detention curfew (HDC) Coulson would have to wear an electronic tag until he had served half of his full sentence. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . So, Harvey, Monty, Finn. September 18, 2020. Jane: I wanted to point out before we really get started that its not really an interview about why you ended up in prison, because obviously the details of the trial can be Googled. Jane: Hard not to be, though, I would have thought. I thought I was due what everyone was due in that kind of situation. There were a lot of agendas being played. Funny, at least for the first 10 times. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. Appalling times, by the way, that are far in excess of anything that Ive ever experienced, and we became friends. Pic credit: CBS. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. Former government director of communications and News of the World. I knew that Eloise would have read it and I knew that my mum would have read it. The paper was told to pay Driscoll 800,000. So thats why were doing this. I often read people saying that it doesnt really matter. In the same way, Jane, that I hope that people will not judge me entirely on my mistakes, Im not going to judge other people entirely on their mistakes. Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. If resilience is genetic then I think Ive definitely benefitted in that regard. During that time Andy faced three criminal trials. And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. Its an unnatural thing to do to relive your life and, by the way, if all you are doing is reliving your life through a negative prism, its a fundamentally unhealthy thing to do. Rebekah Brooks, No 10'S former spin doctor Andy Coulson and three others appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court today. I think there are people who probably think that the door should have been locked forever. Ive really enjoyed it, but the process is that Im asking a whole bunch of really interesting people to share their stories and I just got to the end of the first series and it didnt seem very fair, frankly, that I hadnt put myself through the same process. And I thought to myself, Serco are rubbish at security but absolute bloody masters of irony. I was really concerned. So, what are yours? Coulson had served as the editor of News of the World from 2003 to 2007, when he Read More I knew nothing about it, obviously. People treated us with respect and we did the same. It takes you nowhere. That must have felt weird, being the focus of the media storm? Revelation: Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson (left, in September 2004) were having a secret affair for at least six years, the Old Bailey heard. Andy: Dangers of drug smuggling and all manner of other suggested uses for books. Id start with that, I think. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. I would say I felt anxious right at the start, because its the unknown. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. In 1988, he moved to The Sun, working with Piers Morgan on the showbiz column Bizarre. [27], After David Cameron became Prime Minister in May 2010, he appointed Coulson as Director of Communications for the government at 10 Downing Street. So its just too easy, I think, either for him or for me to say, I wish it had never happened, because you make decisions in the moment. 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And that is not a good moment. Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. I dont have too many dark days any more but I do have the odd grey day, I think everybody does, for all sorts of reasons. In 1994, he briefly moved to the Daily Mail, but after nine weeks moved back to The Sun to edit Bizarre. Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. But no, certainly not in this kind of context. [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. Search instead in Creative? Andy: Well, we did talk about it and wed already talked about it. One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. Also learn how He earned most of networth at the age of 52 years old? When were your darkest days? The judge actually criticised the timing of the statement and said he was unsure whether it was out of ignorance or deliberate. The Pickwick Papers, I think, I would probably choose as the favourite. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. I was told, because there was a view that the Scottish case, because it was such a nonsense, would be dropped. Therefore, the search process before you come in for a visit, as a visitor, is pretty unpleasant. Jane: So, youre packing your bag. And even more delighted that there was a whole shelf of Dickens because I love a bit of Dickens. And Eloise, who is a considerably more evolved human being than I am, knew that long before I did and shes trained me well in that regard. You take some advice. I think it was wrong. I made my case but I obviously didnt succeed with the jury. How can I do that? I had proper moments of depression, without a shadow of a doubt, but I found ways of dealing with that and also I got a lot of help. Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. No one knows in advance. Without any shadow of a doubt, as a couple and as a family. There are probably people out there who maybe even think worse, but there is nothing I can do about that. "[31] According to Chris Bryant MP, senior officials working with Coulson believed that he had the same clearance level as his predecessor. It's only the bloody Stig.This Just In is an online comedy service . [1][65], English journalist and political strategist, Conservative Party communications director, Downing Street Director of Communications. You try and work out what you can take into prison and what you cant. Do you sort of feel, oddly, that all that crisis brought you closer together? So, actually, often there are these little small acts of kindness in prison, he didnt have to do it but he let me go to the phone and call Eloise and say that this things out there, but just be assured its total rubbish. It was the wrong decision and I am very clear about that." His brother and co-founder John Collison scored the highest-ever score received by a student for the Irish Leaving Certificate. Age, Birthdate, Religion, and BirthPlace Read Also: Who is Ali Choupani Wiki, Biography, Age, Spouse, Net Worth And Ive got to be honest with you, it was actually really interesting and quite rewarding work. We worked together for a long time. Having to ring Eloise and say, its not just about getting through this prison sentence, we are going to do it all over again, that was probably the worst moment. And before I knew it, because its down underneath the Old Bailey where you get on the bus, you then go up a ramp and it was a gloriously sunny day, July the fourth, ironically enough, Independence Day 2014. But there are a whole bunch of mistakes from a leadership point of view, I was the boss. Explaining his ruling, Lord Burns said that for Coulson to be found guilty it was necessary for the Crown to prove that the allegedly untrue evidence he had given at the 2010 Sheridan trial had been relevant to the issues in it. So I did. [50], Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30am on 8 July 2011. Nobody put a gun to my head and told me to do those jobs. Certainly, when you find yourself in crisis and thats also, more importantly, just not how I see it. Jane: I mean, in fairness, Ive known you, what, 25 years and you were like that before you had a crisis. There are 100+ professionals named "Andy Coulson", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. Andy: Oh, quite a lot. The judge hearing Coulson's trial was critical of the prime minister, pondering whether the intervention was out of ignorance or deliberate, and demanded an explanation. A bemused local cabbie found himself sitting in the middle of a cornfield and off we went to the station. Do you think thats fair? Hacked Celebrity VoicmailsWhose voicemails has Jorg Coulson been hacking into this week? I do believe its a muscle and my muscle was very well exercised by the time I found myself dealing with my own. Youve got parameters but you dont really know because in the end that is obviously in the gift of the judge. Jane: So, there came a point where you thought, OK, I dont know how long Im going to be here. And there was a bit of joshing as well, particularly with prison officers when I would kind of complain about the process or I would ask the question, Why am I still here when I think I should have been categorised by now? and Id get a wry look that says, Well Tory cuts, Andy.' Andy: Yeah, there came a point where I was told pretty formally, youre not going anywhere. And why? And I tried to make the best of it. The Guardian said that the disclosure "is understood to have 'absolutely shocked' some Whitehall information staff. Andy: Well I will always argue that the mistakes were not criminal, because thats what I spent a lot of time standing in a witness box arguing and because its what I believe. Andy: Well because Belmarsh is a high-security prison for a reason. Coulson was name-checked by Alan Partridge (Steve Coogan) in an episode of This Time with Alan Partridge (Series 02, Episode 02) during an introduction to a segment about law and order. Big Brother 15 winner Andy Herren has never been shy about sharing his opinion on social media. Andy talks about confronting his mistakes and the . It is a fact of my life and it is an upsetting fact of my life. Youve got to be either kind of 200% enthusiastic about something or youve got to be outraged. Andy: I think if people want to talk about my time at the News of the World, that conversation should always start with an apology and I have apologised several times. And I can tell you, having done both, they are very, very different experiences. Weve made a lot of cups of tea for journalists standing on the end of our drive over the years, quite happily. Colton came . Which do you think it was? But Ive got some good techniques now. I think that the danger with this conversation, if Im brutally honest with you, as we sit here right at the start of it, is that it somehow comes off as woe is me. And that was, youve got to accept where you are. I mean thats why I think I have instinctively never really taken that sort of approach because I dont much like that. And prison is the ultimate leveller. Andy: Better than the alternative. So, when you came back after being found guilty and before going back to be sentenced, you had that time at home. Andy Coulson, the former newspaper editor and Downing Street spokesperson jailed on phone hacking charges, revealed that he has built a new career as a crisis strategy consultant - and "business. In an interview with the Press Gazette in 2005, he said that "Tabloid newspapers in this country do more for its people than any other newspapers in the world". I know Harvey was, what, 14? Then before I knew it I was standing on the landing and being put into a holding cell and then they told me Youre going to Suffolk, going to a place called Hollesley Bay.' You benefit from undiluted, unambiguous one-to-one advice, game changing campaigns and crisis guidance from p The problem was that I wasnt being categorised and I was told categorically, youre not going to get categorised. I think on one level the answer was yes, because it was just so long. Jane: Did you attempt to draw perspective from other sources? I told Eloise and we had discussed it before I went into prison, at what point did we think Id need to see the boys and theyd need to see me, and wed reached that point. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. Andy: No, I was acutely aware of that, having published so many of those pictures. We were doing, it sounds ridiculous, Dragons Den presentations of ideas for what they were going to do when they got released, and mock interviews. I wanted to hear what they were up to and they got on with it, theyve been incredible throughout. And that was corrosive. Because then you know actually, its not just a matter of getting through this, Im into it all over again. Andy: I do, yeah. [44] And Clive Goodman, in a letter from 2007: "The practice was widely discussed in the daily editorial conference, until explicit reference to it was banned by the editor. In David Cameron: The Conservative-Liberal Democratic coalition government Andy Coulson, Cameron's communications chief, had already left that post in January of the same year in the wake of the growing evidence tying him to the scandal. Coulson edited one of. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. [33], Prior to the jury handing down their verdict after Coulson's trial, Cameron issued a "full and frank" apology for hiring Coulson, saying "I am extremely sorry that I employed him. In January, a former News of the World journalist told the trial that his phone hacking skills were the main reason Coulson had hired him. And it was, it was a much better regime. And what I understood quite quickly is that theres two routes to violence in prison. Andy: I dont know the answer to that. (listen here). So, in this episode Ill be asking the questions in an attempt to unravel Andys five years of crisis. Andy: Yeah, always. We built a brilliant team, we had the coalition. That moment when I spoke to my lawyers from prison. As a newspaper editor, its a weekly crisis, daily crisis when youre working on The Sun, which is of course where I spent most of my time, most of my career. Its proper drama. But as I said in court, I made a lorry load of mistakes as an editor. Andy Coulson is Former Editor of News of the World, Former Director of Communications, Downing Street, and an expert speaker on communications, crisis management and reputation. And I totally accept that and I am very sorry for it. They were to work within the PCC code at all times". Long before, in truth. Journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore asked the questions for Coulsons new podcast series, Crisis What Crisis? But I never, at any point, felt that I was being treated worse than anyone else. He was scheduled to stand trial in April 2015 but the trial was postponed to 11 May 2015 because of the general election. And I thought that was very generous of them really. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. It taught me that I consider myself to be a reasonably good friend but I think I could have been better, so I think it taught me to be a better friend. Because youve not really spoken about that, have you? Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson has been released from prison after serving nearly five months in jail for conspiracy to hack phones. Which it was. I wasnt concerned because obviously it wasnt true, so I wasnt troubled by that, but I knew that my family would have read it. Jane: We talked a bit, obviously, there about family and knowing the value of your family. There are dogs and there are searches and its another one of those sort of movie scenes. [32] It later emerged that he was still being paid by News International while working for the then opposition leader. And the Old Bailey is a court that is straight out of central casting. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. Youve got to find your match and Ive definitely done that. During the course of the first series, there have been a few moments where people have asked me, guests have asked me, about my own experiences and Ive been happy to give a response. The judge added that it was for him, and not the jury, to decide on this aspect of the case and that the Crown's legal submissions had failed to satisfy him that Coulson's evidence had been sufficiently relevant to the Sheridan trial. David Cameron appointed Coulson as communications director in 2007. And thats absolutely not how I feel. Andy: My sentence, having been found guilty of the crime, was probably about right. And before I knew it, much sooner than I thought, there was sun coming through the windows and then, again, it sounds strange, I suspect, to some people, but I just found the whole thing so utterly absurd. Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. The CPS said that witnesses interviewed by Metropolitan Police including those who had previously made allegations through media outlets had not been willing to provide admissible evidence. I dont know, but it was incredibly frustrating. So ask me what my biggest regret is, I would absolutely say it was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons, not Finn, come and visit me in Belmarsh, because it was only a couple of weeks after that visit that I got moved. Why are you doing it now? Andy: There were a lot of politics in it. And that is, I have to say, largely thanks to Eloise because shes, maybe well get on to it, the reason I got through is her. Some of them not even necessarily related to the stuff weve been talking about here, its just life. Andy: You have to sit there on your own while the rest of your fellow inmates are with their families. My brother was there and one of my best pals, Kris, and there was a lot of manly hugging and goodbyes. Because Id worked very hard at the News of the World, working weekends and god knows what else. Hoare speaking on Five Live, Drive, 3 September 2010. He attended high school in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, where his father was a professor at nearby Duke University.
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