From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. Charlestown USA Outlet Mall (Utica) This old, abandoned, former mill site was once one of the first shopping centers to locate in the Mohawk Valley. Im not opposed to interlining but given the unique layout of the Rogers Junction the only affordable option is to segregate the services. I-beams and could be outfitted as faades on older structures as they The two street staircases lead out to the two malls on either side of the main road of Eastern Parkway on the west side of Schenectady Avenue. When the 4/5 isnt running in Bkyln, the 2/3 will do usual service, and a shuttle will serve Kings Plaza. Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), The Future of the Green Line: From Harvard and Needham to the Seaport, Unbuilt Highways of New York City and Robert Moses. But the big question for me is what are you going to do about the 5 not running on late nights and weekends? I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. no, i only looked at pictures, ill look at post now LOL. RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. If connected to the Second Avenue subway I feel that could provide another East Side alternative for passengers and help relieve pressure from the IRT lines. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. 57 is also proposed at Utica avenue from Eastern parkway to Flatbush avenue. But thats not necessarily for the bad. Allows handicap access via one elevator instead of three. If that happens, either the A or C would have to go that way. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. I also think that building Utica would take some ridership away form Nostrand (those whom transfer via bus) so we should focus on Utica and then see what Nostrand looks like. Anyone? In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. subways or open cut sections. Now for the second option. Between Myrtle-Broadway and Fulton St the line would down Stuyvesant Ave. No stations along this stretch were detailed by IND engineers but given typical station spacing one could guess that two stations would be needed, one between Lafayette and Greene Aves and another at Halsey St. One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. Oh yeah. Less light-blocking like 5 but vertical. A hybrid of 1 and 6: The el is still over roadway Crown Heights-Utica Avenue is a station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. [15] The underground portion of the line became known as the Eastern Parkway Line, or Route 12, while the elevated portion became known as the New Lots Line. Connecting the currently planned SAS to Fultons local tracks involves building zero junctions and minimal interlining. On a side note, the Rogers Street Junction needs to be rebuilt regardless of any extensions. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. Although not in the official report, soon after it was proposed to connect 14th St to Utica Ave. Passangers want a train for the East and West Sides.By switching the 3 and 5 youre forcing passangers to make a crossover at Franklin when they could easily just have a one seat ride from Utica or Flatbush Av. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. Ive thought of three more elevated footprint lightening techniques; these are all actually in use right now: 9. proposal for a subway stretch closer in on Jamaica Ave. 6. You took the time to write a response but not to read what I wrote? Youre forgetting one thing though when you switched the 3 and 5 terminals. In California money itd be about 2. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. Say we got together and bought the local NBA franchise. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. Kings Hy/Beverly Rd is 564 yards away, 7 min walk. 3. tph, equal to 16 A Div. ; Mayor Declares Subway Open -- Ovations for Parsons and McDonald", "Brooklyn Joyful Over New Subway Celebrates Opening of Extension with Big Parade and a Flow of Oratory An Ode to August Belmont Anonymous Poet Calls Him "the Brownie of the Caisson and Spade" He Talks on Subways", "618 Miles of Track In The Dual System; City Will Have Invested $226,000,000 When Rapid Transit Project Is Completed", "Differ Over Assessment Plans in Transit Projects: Eastern Parkway Subway and Livonia Avenue Extension the Cause of Bitter Dissension Among Property Owners Uptown", "More Interborough Service for Brooklyn 2 New Lines", "Brooklyn Tube Extensions Open: I.R.T. Williamsburg in comparison to a Bypass is a much lower priority, since the L is not operating anywhere near signalling capacity; upgrading the power supply gives you a bump from 21TPH to 26TPH, nearly a 25% increase in service, and building tail tracks and appropriate terminals also increases that number. But thats how I see it. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? Viaducts where possible. When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. So that means that you are going to build a trunk line that is supposed to take pressure off the L that can only run 10-12tph. The other spur would have led up Myrtle Ave. where the line would split again. The MTA would then lease the land as a way to bring in continued revenue and the new development would help pay for the construction. In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. The station listings are extremely far apart to where it barely serves any local communities on the route. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. Many transit activists I talk to refuse any plan which would take a single building but this is unrealistic in any city. Go for a Abandoned Stations List; . but towards one side for easy attachment to a ground level station house. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. is still only two flights up. Reviving the Nassau loop will only gain low ridership. The current (M) does just fine providing a one-seat ride to Midtown, and riders on the (J) can just transfer. [19][20], In 1981, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority listed the station among the 69 most deteriorated stations in the subway system. The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. When would you see it converted to that? Touring: F train to East Broadway. The tracks are outlined by a pattern in the ceiling on top of the four trackways at the Utica Avenue station; therefore it appears that there are four trackways and two island platforms running diagonally across the ceiling in the center. [23], The station's full-time exit is at the east end (railroad south) of the platforms. For example, why build a Lafayette Av branch off of Crosstown when instead a cheap connection between the (G)/(J)/(M) could be built at Broadway. Building it to B Division clearances is good but making it B Div from the get-go would be better still. from those two subway stations Two narrow staircases and one elevator connect both platforms to a small upper level mezzanine that has two public restrooms (one for men and the other for women) and leads to a bank of turnstiles. The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? The station spacing was done to keep costs down. south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. Climbing the steps to the intermediate level, there are locked doors that serve as access to the unfinished platforms. Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. On the opposite side, from Eastern Parkway to Empire Blvd, the slope descends 66 feet. are refurbished as well as adopted in new construction. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. The same happens if the A leaves. Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. At its peak, it had more than 50 businesses.. F,L,M all times except late nights, 1,2. Besides, with Utica so far out it would be much better service to have express trains rather than a longer local train. Transfer the money (like it exists!) And I much prefer to have 2nd Ave take over the B/D trains on the Manhattan Bridge so that they can be rerouted to Williamsburg instead. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. PATH. Constructed in 1923, Union Station served the . But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. But boring tunnels is much more common these days. I would have to strongly object to abandoning Phase IV; that still leaves the entire SAS and Sixth Av LES stations without a direct connection to downtown (and thus fails the objective of relieving the Lex), leaves Water St underserved despite heavy employment density, and subjects SAS to the whims of the DeKalb interlocking. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. Flatbush Ave is extra wide along this section and the median would be used to create a safer traffic pattern. Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. MTA Bus - B14/B17 - Eastern Pkwy & Utica Av. Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. We dont need to build out some perfect system when IRT is good enough. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. Well then what are we waiting for? Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. Utica Avenue Subway Station. The elevated structure would be built in such a way that future buildings would be built around and above the line. Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with Even before revenue service or full tunnels were dug the six-track station was a relic of another era. That has what, a current limitation of 26 tph? North of Fulton theres a park for it to curve through, similar to your design for the Second Ave. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. The one on the west (railroad north) is staffed weekdays only and accessed via a wide staircase in place of the end wall of the New Lots Avenue-bound platform. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). But that still requires 2nd Ave to be built first. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. Which would take a single building but this is unrealistic in any city yards,. 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